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Yeah..

Sorry, were you serious about an Apple debate?

Sorry..

I thought this forum was meant for serious discussions, not blowing off perfectly legitimate debates because you're bias is skewed so far in favor of one of the options. How does browsers sound?

I was just thinking how there's nobody to debate on Apple's side.

Browsers; Well Firefox and Chrome are the only two I care to use anymore.

There is plenty to argue in Apple's favor, you just have to take out the bias of everything that everyone on the internet seems to have in regards to technology.

For example, let's take the Macbook pro.

It has an overall high battery life
A well designed power adapter
A nice screen
A large trackpad

Mac OSX has an admittedly nice GUI, and comes installed with a *nix environment.

I never really used an Apple products in my life, so it's a bad subject for me.

Do any other companies make computers for Apple softwares?

Two did, only one still actively makes them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psystar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PearC
There might be more, but those are what I know of.

It sounds like they stretch Apple copyrights to do it, silly Apple holding back on variety. I don't really like how the Apple computers look; too white and roundish.

In Germany PearC is completely legal.

It just sounds like PearC can only sell Apple softwared computers because they don't pre-install the OS. I mean Windows comes on.. Acer, Toshiba, Dell, HP, and Samsung just to name ones I know of. Maybe Apple would do better if they had more choices.

Maybe they would do better if they sold at reasonable margins, you mean.

Reswonable margins of what?

A margin is a price a company sells their products at for profit.

Let's say nVidia sells X graphics cards to distributors for $100.

Now, Newegg buys some of these and sells them for $200.
Apple would probably sell them for $400.

Yes, this is an exaggeration but I think that sums it up.

Oh, yes prices. I'm not one to look much, but from what I see Apple overprices all it's products far too much. Take the iPod for example. You can get an iPod whatever for $200, and you can get an MP4 that does all the same stuff PLUS doesn't force you to use iTunes where you have to PAY for music all for $120 or something. I think Apple deserve half the crap the internets heap on it.

Well over half, probably. You know Steve Jobs? He wasn't even the original creator of Macintosh. It was Steve Wozniak that was a programmer, and Jobs came in saying "You know what? You can sell these things and make millions..." so then they teamed up.

Later in the career Wozniak suffered a massive head injury or something and had to leave Apple for like two years, and when he came back Jobs was in charge and Wozniak was pretty much left out of the CEO chair.

I found it funny how they were bootlegging Microsoft software before that.

Well, gotta admit they must have done something right with the iPhone, those things are SO POPULAR.

I don't recall them doing that. In fact, Gates had some troubles getting Windows to be his own production because of Macintosh for some reason.

This is what I learned in my Computer Programming class at school.

Most valuable information so far.

When Microsoft first started selling its Windows software some people started making unauthorized copies (to sell for themselves I assume). Copyrights on computer software were pretty.. non-exsistant back then, since Gates was the first one who considered software as something worth selling. The unauthorized copying wasn't even discreet so Gates heard about it soon and got mad. He lodged a complain to some authorities and won a copyright, the butthurt copiers went on to be the Apple company.

Actually

Apple computers were originally sold using parts stolen from Microsoft. Bill Gates personally wrote them a letter saying that they were "thieves".

The only reason the iPod is so successful is because of it's gimmicky applications and the simple GUI. Zune Pass is much better if you're actually going to buy music, as you get 10 DRM-free downloads and unlimited DRM'd downloads every month, for a monthly charge. iPods also have worse sound quality compared to other MP3 players on the market, but they excel in terms of multi-functionality and web browsing, which could easily make the iPod a better choice. (or at least the Touch, the other ones have functionality as well) Another advantage to iPods compared to many of the other cheaper ones is build quality. Yes, it's not like other ones have bad build quality, but it's something Apple is very good about.

I've had the same Samsung MP3 for over a year I think. I've dropped it off numerous high places, got it wet, gone through many sets of generic headphones, outlasted all my friends iPods. It cost me absolutely nothing for the +200 songs on it, the player was about $70. Sure, it can't browse the internet or get apps and stuff, but I honestly never seen the charm in having the internet on your music player. I mean if I'm out of the house I'm usually out to get off the computer, I guess busier people would find it more useful. Then again, I'm yet to meet a person with an iPod that doesn't have two or three internet enabled mobiles phones anyway. Soon there'll be toasters with the internet on them.

I guess the same goes for the iPhone, half the time it just seems like it's so popular because of all the gimmicky apps, thought the games have got some pretty solid ground now.

>games on anything but a gaming handheld/console/PC

iPhone is like a portable mix of a flash game site with a Nintendo DS and a cell phone.

Yeah, but you know ever since video gaming broke out of the basement there's been the huge market for casual games such as Wiifit and iPho-

...oh, forget casual games.


I mean these product aren't popular because they are better than the others, just saying that's probably one of the reasons they might be.

Iphone games shouldn't really be considered games, more like gimmicky things that are used by Apple for commercials. They're bought, played for an hour, and never played again.

Yeah like played by surfer dudes while waiting for their friends to pick them up, and the girls in the clubs who don't feel like dancing. I mean it may annoy any gamer who enjoys a bit more 'game' in their games, but I think casual stuff is only going to get bigger.

Now with the Xbox 360 'Kinect' thingy I predict a whole new bunch of shameless rip-offs of what the Wii has already done, and a whole 'nother wave of casual lounge-room fun for the whole family.