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Walkthrough - Granny's Hand-Holding Guide to CardsGranny's Hand-Holding Guide to Cards in Final Fantasy VIII From: Sister (sis_cindy@hotmail.com) November 15, 2000 This is copyrighted material. Feel free to use it for your personal enjoyment, but please don't try to make money off of my work. Updated February 19, 2001 --added info on erasing rules in Balamb and the fifteen game requirement of playing the CC group Updated September 12, 2001 --added new information in several areas based primarily on emails and information gleaned from the FF8 board. Thanks to WindCloud, Natedawg, Iggy9900, Jkrist, Mojoy, Mercurius, and Vilurum (as always) for their help. Please note that this will be the final update of this FAQ unless I learn something of truly momentous importance. RPGGranny, a friend of mine at the FF8 board here at Gamefaqs, convinced me to write this FAQ. She said she needed a guide that took her by the hand and led her through the card game, so that's what I've attempted to do. While I can't give you exact, step-by-step instructions on individual card games (since you never know which cards your opponent will use), I'll try to give you some general playing strategies. To make the game as easy as possible, I'll show you how to change the playing rules around the world to your advantage. Now, if you enjoy the challenge of playing Triple Triad with all the original rules in place (with Random and Plus in Trabia, for example), this is not the FAQ for you. My basic premise is that the easiest way to win at cards is to reduce the playing rules to just Open and overpower your opponent with better cards. That's the general purpose of this guide. I'll tell you where to go and who to play to most efficiently change the card rules, as well as where and how to get all the cards in the game. I'll explain the rules as best I can in areas where you must use them for a time, and I will tell you some cards to watch for with an eye toward refining magic from those cards. Before we continue, there are a few people from the FF8 board that I must thank: RPGGranny, for getting me started; Terence, for helping me better understand how the trading rules spread; Rage for his computer advice and constant encouragement; and Vilurum. I give Vilurum special thanks, not only for his wonderful advice on speeding up the Queen of Cards quest by using places other than Dollet for the exchange of cards and his insights into card playing on Disc Four, but also for his vast amount of assistance and patience in helping me actually get this FAQ constructed and submitted properly. As a FAQ writer, he also proofread it for me and offered several valuable suggestions, many of which I've included for your information. Thank you all. Now, if you're ready, let's play some cards. Disc One After you pick up Quezacotl and Shiva in the classroom, you'll bump into a new student from Trabia Garden. Whether or not you take her with you, stop and speak to the guy in green on your way to the elevator. He will give you your starter deck of cards. Don't try to play yet; you can't win. Update note: Iggy9900 emailed me to say that you can indeed win with the original deck of cards. After thirteen attempts, he won Minimog with the starter deck. I prefer having some stronger cards before I start playing, but I mention it for those who like a challenge. If you want to begin playing cards right away, choose Quezacotl's Card ability to learn first. You will also need to learn Card Modify and the various GFs' magic refine abilities (Quezacotl's Thunder Magic RF, Shiva's Ice Magic RF, Diablos' Status and Time Magic RFs, etc.) as you go if you intend to get a lot of your magic from cards. I learn these RF abilities early with my GFs so that I can start converting cards to magic early on, but that's entirely up to you. Once you have Card selected in Quezacotl's menu, head to the Fire Cavern. When you defeat Ifrit, you'll receive his card (your first rare card). Continue to fight enemies until you've learned Card. It only requires 40 AP, so it won't take long (note: if you're playing a no-level game, let Seifer learn Card for you in Dollet). As soon as Card is learned, junction it. To Card an enemy, beat down its HP (just don't kill it) then use Card. An enemy at full HP will not Card. When you Card an enemy, it turns into a playing card. You'll receive the normal amount of AP but no Experience. You can Card a few fish on the beach (their Fish Fins will give you Water magic with Shiva's Ice Magic RF) then head to the Fire Cavern and Card at least two Bombs (more if you want to use these cards for Irvine's Fire Ammo later). Now, head to the Training Center in Balamb Garden. Card T-Rexaurs and Grats until you receive a Shumi Tribe Card. If you do a lot of Carding, you'll occasionally pick up a Level 6 (like Shumi) or 7 card instead of the normal enemy card. It may sound a bit daunting to take on T-Rex with Squall alone, but it's really not bad because your level (and thus T-Rex's) at this point is so low. Let Shiva hurt him, and he'll usually Card after he's lost two or three thousand HP (sometimes much less). Just have plenty of Cures on hand. If you intend to do lots of Carding (for a no-level game, for example), collect five Shumi cards (here or as you play through the game) to teach a second character the Card ability. This will speed up your Carding considerably. Now that you have Ifrit, a couple of Bombs, a T-Rex, and a Shumi card (this should be your first hand), you're ready to play. Update note: JKrist asked that I mention that you can also pick up Jumbo Cactuar by carding Glacial Eyes. I didn't card many of these enemies, so I haven't received one myself. I do know from experience that you can also Card Buels in the Fire Cavern for Krysta cards. The only rule in Balamb Garden and in the town of Balamb is Open. All this means is that both hands are face up, so that you can see your opponent's cards and s/he can see yours. This is the best rule in the game because it allows you to plan your moves based on your opponent's cards. The trading rule (which determines how many cards are traded at the end of a game) is One. The winner will choose one of the loser's cards. The basic concept of Triple Triad is to turn over more cards than your opponent does. Where the numbers of two cards meet, the higher number wins. Your opponent's cards (and any he turns) will have a background color of light red/pink. Your cards will be blue. The numbers on the left and right of the card grid keep score. The left number tells how many cards belong to your opponent, and the right number tells how many belong to you. Head to the save point near the directory and save your game. Watch for a girl with either blonde or light brown hair who enters the screen. Either one will do - they both have weak cards. To challenge her to a card game, press the square button. My first game looked like this: Her cards: Anacondaur, Armadodo, SAMO8G, Abyss Worm, Creeps My cards: Two Bombs, Shumi Tribe, T-Rexaur, Ifrit _________________________________________ | 5 | 6 | 5 | | | | | | Her - 1st | Her - 3rd | Her - 5th | | | | | | 5 1 | 6 3 |4 6| | Anacondaur | Armadodo | SAMO8G | | | | | | 3 | 1 | 2 | |_____________|_____________|_____________| | 6 | 5 | 4 | | Me - 4th | Her - 9th | Me - 8th | | (game over)| | | | (I win) | | | | 4 5 |2 2|7 6| | Shumi | Creeps | T-Rex | | | | | | 8 | 5 | 2 | |_____________|_____________|_____________| | 2 | 7 | 9 | | | | | | Me - 6th | Her - 7th | Me - 2nd | | 3 7|5 2|8 6| | Bomb | Abyss Worm| Ifrit | | | | | | | | | | 6 | 3 | 2 | |_____________|_____________|_____________| In the above chart, you'll see the cards we played and the order in which we played them. Here's my first tip on strategy - zero in on the top-left corner. Notice the pattern of this game. You'll see it over and over and over again as you play Triple Triad. Weaker players (which are most of them) will always start in the top-left corner. You stay away from that corner (playing cards that can't be turned in other corners) until s/he boxes that top-left corner in (s/he can't turn it back after you turn it, in other words). After she boxed in the Anacondaur card with Armadodo, I turned Anacondaur with a card that she could not turn, so it's basically game over as long as I continue to play defensively. Always remember that you must only turn one card to win. Don't trade cards back and forth. Play defensively (Ifrit in the bottom right, which she can't turn, is a defensive play) and wait for one card. Pay attention to this pattern and you'll find your games going much more easily. If you happen to go first, just play the other three corners until that top-left card is boxed in - it works the same way. A slight derivation of this pattern would be to play beside the top-left card. If she plays a card that can't be turned (by her or by you) from the bottom in that top-left corner, turn it from the side, but ONLY if she can't turn your card. Otherwise, play defensively and wait for your chance. Also, if your opponent plays a card that can only be turned from the bottom, go in for the kill immediately with a card that can't be turned. After you win, you will choose a card from your opponent's hand. If the card name is printed in blue, this is a card you've never had before - a new addition to your deck. Yellow is a card that you have had but don't have now. White means you currently have this card in inventory. In the above game, I chose the Abyss Worm card (refines to Tornado magic). Choose Card on your menu to check your card inventory whenever you wish. More than anything else in Triple Triad, practice, practice, practice. The more you play, the better you'll get. I was completely lost with the card game the first couple of times I played FF8, but now I'm fairly competent only because of the sheer number of games I've played. If you're new to the game or don't feel comfortable with it, play a weak player like this girl until you see the pattern and start feeling more confidence in your game. Save often so that if something goes terribly wrong, you won't lose all the cards you've worked so hard for. After you've flexed your muscles a bit and had some practice, save. Now, hang around behind the directory and wait for the jogger to run in from the left. It's easiest if you can manage to block his path (so he can't run until you're done with him), but if you miss him, you can catch him again. He always runs the circle of Balamb Garden counter-clockwise, so you can find him easily. Challenge the jogger to a game. He has the rare card Minimog - the first card required for the Queen of Cards side quest. At this point, you shouldn't have any trouble beating him. You may have to play a few hands before Minimog shows up, but he's generally easy to win. The jogger will probably play Minimog in the top-left. Double-check the numbers on his cards to make sure he has no card with a 7 on the left side. If no 7, play Shumi right beside Minimog, and it's game over. Just keep defending. Now that you've gotten the hang of it, I'll mention a few cards to watch for as you go that will refine into magic. It's great having some of the stronger ones for your junctions early on. T-Rex/Armadodo = Dino Bone = Quake Blood Soul = Zombie Powder = Zombie Gesper = Black Hole = Demi Wendigo = Steel Orb = Demi Blitz = Dynamo Stone = Thundaga Snow Lion = North Wind = Blizzaga Mesmerize = Mesmerize Blade = Regen Belhelmel = Sawblade = Death Tonberry/Tonberry King = Death Abyss Worm = Windmill = Tornado Tri-Face = Curse Spike = Pain Gayla = Mystery Fluid = Meltdown Forbidden = Betrayal Sword = Confuse Elastoid = Steel Pipe = Berserk Funguar/Bite Bug = Magic Piece = Esuna/Cure/Fire, etc. Buel/Jelleye = Magic Stone = Haste, Slow, Cura, Fira, etc. Vysage/Imp = Wizard Stone = Curaga, Firaga, etc. Many items are great for other things like Steel Pipes for making Aura Stones or calling Doomtrain. You can pick up several items needed for upgrading your weapons, as well, such as Screws from a Geezard card. A few others to look for: Elnoyle - 10 = 1 Energy Crystal = 10 Pulse Ammo Iron Giant - 3 = 1 Star Fragment (also refines to 5 Meteors) Blue Dragon - 4 = 1 Fury Fragment (also refines to 5 Auras) Death Claw/Grand Mantis = Sharp Spike = AP Ammo Bomb = Bomb Fragment = Fire Ammo Cactuar = Cactus Thorn = Demolition Ammo Adamantoise - 2 = 1 Turtle Shell If you're looking for items to teach Quistis her Blue Magics, these are the ones you can get from cards (thanks to Vilurum for this list): 10 Behemoth cards = 1 Barrier = Mighty Guard 1 Caterchipillar = Spider Web = Ultra Waves 1 Creeps = Coral Fragment = Electrocute 1 Fastitocalon = Water Crystal = Aqua Breath 5 Fastitocalon-F = 1 Water Crystal = Aqua Breath 1 Gayla = Mystery Fluid = Acid 1 Gesper = Black Hole = Degenerator 4 Malboro = 1 Malboro Tentacle = Bad Breath 10 Ruby Dragon = 1 Inferno Fang = Fire Breath 1 SAM08G = Running Fire = Gatling Gun 1 Tri-Face = Curse Spike = LV? Death This is nowhere near an exhaustive list - just a lot of the cards I watch for as I play. Now that you have Minimog, we're ready to move on. Your next opponent will have better cards than you've met thus far so remember to play defensively. It is much better to play to a draw than to lose. If you lose, your opponent will automatically take your best card (Ifrit at this point). You can always start again from your last save, but if you've played several games and picked up several good cards, it's a pain. Don't be greedy. Play smart. After you save, head to the front entrance and play the old man at the window. He has level one, three, and five cards, so you can bulk up your deck if you wish. I'm looking for two cards in particular here - Malboro and Elastoid. These are both great cards for your playing hand. Once you have them, go save then head for the cafeteria. Go to the dining room to find two guys sitting at a table on the right (the one in back's behind a plant). Challenge the one in back to a card game. He has the Quistis card. Be aware that Quistis can turn any card in your hand, so be on your toes. Here's how my game went: His hand: GIM47N, Ruby Dragon, Iron Giant, Quistis, Malboro My hand: Shumi, Elastoid, Ifrit, Malboro, Bomb _________________________________________ | 5 | 7 | 6 | | | | | | Him - 7th | Him - 9th | Me - 8th | | | | | |4 5|4 2|4 5| | | | | | GIM47N | Ruby | Shumi | | | | | |______7______|______7______|______8______| | 9 | 6 | 6 | | | | | | Him - 3rd | Me - 4th | Him - 5th | | | | | |2 6|7 2|5 5| | | | | | Quistis | Elastoid | Iron Giant | | | | | |______A______|______6______|______6______| | 7 | 8 | 7 | | | | | | Him - 1st | Me - 2nd | Me - 6th | | | | | |2 7|9 6|2 7| | | | | | Malboro | Ifrit | Malboro | | | | | |______4______|______2______|______4______| Quistis is mine. Go to the dorm and save. At this point in the game, you have all the rare cards you can get, so you have a choice. You can continue to play and build up your deck or move on with the game and build your deck later. If you want to play cards, be sure not to change into your uniform at the dorm (you'll automatically begin the Dollet mission). If you decide you want to play for a while, you might want to run to Balamb to try and change the trading rule. The trading rule can be changed in two ways, both of which involve the Queen of Cards. Since you can't play in other places at the moment, we'll discuss the only available method for now. Leave Garden and run to the town of Balamb. Save your game in the hotel (you don't have to pay for a room - just run upstairs). Now go to the train station and find the woman in white on the steps (she'll be near the gift shop). This is the Queen of Cards. Challenge her to a game and see what trading rule she's playing with. There are four different ones in the game: One - Winner takes one card from loser Diff - Winner takes number of cards from loser equal to the difference in their scores (for example, if you win a game with a score of 3-7, you would choose four of your opponent's cards) All - Winner takes all of loser's cards Direct - Each player wins the cards that s/he turns in the game Challenge the queen to a game. If she's using the Diff rule, wonderful. She's very weak here, so just play and take her cards. Now run past her and challenge the train conductor. If he's using the trading rule Diff, perfect - you're done. Go save. If he's using One, challenge the queen again. If she uses Direct, quit and try again. I'm not positive, but based on games I've played, whether the Diff rule "takes" or not is random. I've had the queen use Diff then have others in the region use One (it didn't "take"), and I've played her one time with Diff and it spread. A note of caution about the All rule - it's great playing with All because you get all of your opponent's cards when you win. When you've played with a rule for a certain amount of time, however, the rule degenerates, so to speak, to the next rule in line. Thus, All will degenerate to Direct - the worst of the trading rules (thanks to Vilurum and Terence for explaining this to me). If you can get Diff, I would recommend that you stick with that. You will build your deck much faster with Diff than with One, so if you get it in place, go ahead and play some cards (either now or after the Dollet mission - it doesn't matter). We can't get any more rare cards until you're done with Dollet. When you're ready to start the Dollet mission, go change into your uniform. Update note: I have seen several messages from people distressed with having the Direct rule all over the world. From the ones I've seen, they've almost invariably started out with the All rule, so, again, I would urge people to stick with Diff. Once you've finished your mission in Dollet and are back in Balamb, you can play cards in earnest. First, save at the hotel. Establish Diff with the queen if you can, then get all of your other card playing out of the way before you play her again. You'll be sending her to another town, and there's the possibility that you could change the trading rule again before you want to if you play her before you're done playing cards here. We'll discuss other card-playing opportunities before we start the Queen of Cards quest. Go to Zell's house and talk to Ma Dincht. Now leave and return, and she'll play cards with you. Again, zero in on the upper-left corner. She won't give you any trouble, and you can pick up some good cards from her. Just be very careful about how you play when Zell's card finally shows up in her hand. You don't want to lose Quistis. I'll show you how our game went when she finally used Zell. Her hand: Zell, Turtapod, Grendel, Gayla, Jelleye My hand: Elastoid, Malboro, Shumi, Ifrit, Quistis _________________________________________ | 8 | 2 | 6 | | | | | | Her - 1st | Her - 3rd | Me - 4th | | | | | |6 5|7 3|7 2| | | | | | Zell | Turtapod | Elastoid | | | | | |______A______|______6______|______6______| | 4 | 2 | 6 | | | | | | Her - 5th | Her - 7th | Me - 8th | | | | | |2 4|4 1|4 5| | | | | | Grendel | Gayla | Shumi | | | | | |______5______|______4______|______8______| | 7 | 3 | 9 | | | | | | Me - 2nd | Her - 9th | Me - 6th | | | | | |2 7|7 2|8 6| | | | | | Malboro | Jelleye | Ifrit | | | | | |______4______|______1______|______2______| If you have to go first, play Malboro in the lower-left corner. She'll probably turn it with Zell, then you can turn it back with Ifrit or turn Zell's card and continue from there. Once you have Zell, go save. Remember for future reference that Zell must be in your party whenever you want to play cards with Ma Dincht. Now you can play more in Balamb or return and play in Balamb Garden. If you're trying to get Lion Heart on Disc One, you'll need twenty Elnoyle cards. Players who carry Elnoyle (level 5) include Ma Dincht, the old man at the window in Balamb Garden, Dr. Kadowaki, Cid, the cafeteria lady on the left, the Trepie in the cafeteria who had Quistis' card, and the guy standing at the first bunch of shelves in the library. Cid probably plays with Elnoyle the most at this stage of the game, but he's a better player than are all the others. Should you go for the Elnoyle cards now, just be aware of what you're in for. The one time I acquired Lion Heart on Disc One, I had exactly 1,021 cards in inventory when I received that twentieth Elnoyle card. You might as well settle in for the evening. If you're going to play a lot, you might as well get the Seifer and Diablos cards first. After receiving your Timber assignment, speak to Cid to get the Old Lamp. Leave the screen and return; Cid will be gone. Go to the save point by the directory. Save and use the Old Lamp to fight Diablos. When you defeat him, you'll receive his card. With Diablos to add to your hand, you're ready to try Headmaster Cid. Cid is one of the better players in the game, so be very attentive when you play him. Take the elevator to the third floor (after you save, as always) to find Cid in his office and challenge him to a game. The hand I use for Cid: Quistis, Diablos, Malboro, Elastoid, and Ifrit. Play until you win Seifer. Seifer is a very strong card. Once it's yours, your hand is pretty much unbeatable for most of the rest of the game. Seifer is a wonderful addition to your hand because he covers that top-left corner we've been discussing (as does Diablos in a pinch). Seifer can't be turned from the bottom or the right except by very, very few cards (none of which you'll see in normal game play), so once he's turned that boxed-in top-left corner, it's game over. If you're going to stay here and play Cid for a while (for Elnoyles, for example), replace the Quistis card with Seifer and continue. By the time you leave Balamb for Timber, you can have all the 1-5 level cards (except Pupu) plus the rare cards Seifer, Diablos, Ifrit, Quistis, Zell, and Minimog. Pupu requires a side quest later in the game; we'll discuss it then. Now let's start the Queen of Cards quest. The Queen of Cards has five rare cards that you can acquire through the course of the game. You must give her the card she wants. She will give this card to her artist father who will make a new card based on it. You will then acquire the new card. Here are the cards you'll need to give her, the cards created from each, and what the new cards mod into: Minimog = Kiros = Three Accelerators (teaches GF Auto-Haste) Sacred = Irvine = Three Rocket Engines (teaches GF Speed+40%) Chicobo = Chubby Chocobo = 100 LuvLuvGs (raises compatibility with all GFs) Alexander = Doomtrain = Three Status Guards (teaches GF Status Defense X 4) Doomtrain = Phoenix = Three Phoenix Spirits (teaches GF Revive) For a new card to be made, the queen must first give a specific card to her father in Dollet. She has eight regular locations around the world where she can be found (if you prefer to chase her everywhere). The easiest way to handle the queen, however, is to shuttle her back and forth between Balamb and Dollet. We'll start the quest by giving her Minimog. Save at the hotel. Challenge the queen and purposely lose Minimog to her. Her cards are very weak, so have Minimog and four level 1 cards in your hand. You must let her have Minimog to continue, so play to lose. After she's won Minimog, speak to her (X button). She'll tell you that the region is getting boring, so she's going somewhere else. If she says she's going to Dollet, go save. If she says she's going to Galbadia, reset and do it again. You don't want her in Galbadia because from there, she tends to travel to FH then to Esthar then to Lunar Gate. From Lunar Gate, you must search for her (she won't tell you where she's going from there). So, stick to Balamb and Dollet. You'll be resetting a lot as you change card rules, so I'll mention the soft reset feature. Pause your game (Select button). Press L1, L2, R1, R2, and Start all at the same time. While holding these five buttons down, hit Select again. The game will start over. This way you won't have to jump up and hit reset every few minutes. Play and reset until the queen tells you that she's going to Dollet. Now that she's on her way with Minimog in hand, you can head for Timber. One other note while we're in the town of Balamb: if at any time you accidentally spread rules in Balamb, you can erase them. Go to the docks and look for a man crouched down near the water with his back to you. He won't be here if Open is the only rule in Balamb. If there are other rules present, and he's not there, leave town and return and you should find him. If you play cards with him, he will erase ALL the rules in Balamb, including Open. Should you somehow really mess up the rules here, use this guy to wipe them out then return and spread Open. I forgot to mention this guy when I first wrote the faq because I'd never used him. I spread rules in Balamb a couple of times to see for myself how it worked (I'd read that he charged you 10,000 gil to erase the rules, but this isn't the case - just play). When I spoke to him, he was stuck in Balamb because he'd ditched class and Balamb Garden was gone when he got back. Whether this means you can't find him on Disc One, I'm not sure. He is definitely there on Disc Two after Balamb Garden is mobile. Hopefully, you'll never need him, but I thought I'd better mention him, just in case. After the Laguna sequence, you'll get on the train that serves as base for the Forest Owls. Save first (there's a save point up the stairs in the first room). Now challenge Watts to a game. This is the first time you'll change some rules. When you challenge Watts, he will say, "Mr. Seed, you seem to know rules unfamiliar to this region. Let's play a game with Balamb's rules and ours, sir." This type of phrase is an invitation to mix rules. You'll see it everywhere you go in slightly different form when you travel from one region to another. Mixing rules is what changes rules. You'll either spread a rule, abolish a rule, or the rules will remain unchanged. Never, and I mean never ever, mix rules in areas that you've already fixed. Since Balamb's only rule is Open, you NEVER mix rules in Balamb. Have you ever played in Balamb with Open, then the next time you visited, the rules were Open and Random? This means that you mixed rules and Random spread to Balamb. If you're happy with the rules in a particular place, never, never mix. Always answer No to the above question. You may have to say No twenty times, but keep saying No and eventually the person you're challenging will quit asking. S/he will just ask to play cards. Never forget this. In this case with Watts, we want to change the rules, so we must mix. When he asks to play with "Balamb's rules and ours," answer Yes. Now the mixed rules will appear: Open and Same (and whatever trading rule you're using). Instead of playing, choose Quit. After a hand or two, you should get the message "Open has spread to this region." If you don't get this message and Watts quits asking to mix the rules, then nothing happened, so reset and do it again. After you receive the message that Open has spread, you've successfully changed your first card rule. Go save. Now challenge Watts again and play him this time for the Angelo card. Galbadia uses the Same rule. This means that when the numbers match on two or more sides of a card (the numbers are the same, thus the name), you'll turn the matching cards. Here's an example: 2 1 7 3 7 6 6 4 Turtapod Blitz Turtapod's in the top-left corner; Blitz is in the top-right corner. If you place a Bomb card between them, you'll turn both cards. 2 | 2 | 1 | | 7 3|3 7|7 6 | | 6 | 6 | 4 Turtapod Bomb Blitz Because the Bomb card matches the 3 on the left and the 7 on the right, it turns both other cards. This matching can be in a horizontal line (as above) or a vertical line. Most commonly, however, it will be a corner play. 2 | | |
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